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		By: George Porge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Porge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2018 23:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224515&quot;&gt;RFD&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I don&#039;t think most people here would be jealous of a team that barely backed into the playoffs after spending two years watching from the sidelines. That stadium tho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224515">RFD</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t think most people here would be jealous of a team that barely backed into the playoffs after spending two years watching from the sidelines. That stadium tho.</p>
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		By: George Porge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Porge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224492&quot;&gt;Green is the Color&lt;/a&gt;.

In your world, football is played with a twelve-sided die, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224492">Green is the Color</a>.</p>
<p>In your world, football is played with a twelve-sided die, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: George Porge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224553&quot;&gt;Tinhead296&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course, that is ignoring the fact that the Riders had plenty of experience and veteran leadership when Jones was hired. He just canned all the veterans and leaders and decided to spend a couple of years trying to find his own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224553">Tinhead296</a>.</p>
<p>Of course, that is ignoring the fact that the Riders had plenty of experience and veteran leadership when Jones was hired. He just canned all the veterans and leaders and decided to spend a couple of years trying to find his own.</p>
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		By: Evil Empire		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL @ RFD...

As I said, son. He’s the GM now. The fact that so many players have gone to SK in FA prove he is overpaying them. How many players followed him from Mtl to Cgy. Then from Cgy to Tor. Then from Tor to Edm. It’s a handful in each instance. But, this is the CFL. Movement is inevitable. Just because players he’s coached previously, actually end up on the same team as him. How does that even remotely prove that he is why they went there ? 

You throw up a list of Ex-Esks players that became Riders in 2016. Completely disregarding that I said That as a GM. He offered them more money than the Eskimos, or any other team was willing to pay them. Please remind me how that season went for him. Clearly, they weren’t “ ALL THE TOP PLAYERS “. The top Eskimo players ( their leaders ) are either still in Edm, or tried their hand in the NFL. A cpl may have gone elsewhere. But, they ARE NOT in SK. 

If you think Edmonton’s GC Champion FAs were lining up to join a 3-15 team ( 2015 ). Just because of the new coach. You’re off your rocker. And, exactly how well did all that high priced talent produce in 2016 ? 5-13...LOL. Is that money well spent ?

So, yeah... More followed him from Edm to SK, than any of his previous stops. But, they were chasing the dollar, and he was willing to pay more for them. Any player that has gone to SK since the 2015 GC. Went there for money. Everybody knows it. If other teams actually wanted to keep their FA. Or, wanted to acquire new FAs from other teams. They would have offered more money. They didn’t because they didn’t think those guys were worth what the Pied Piper was willing to overpay them. Hervey built that 2015 Championship team. So, it’s obvious he knew how to build a winner. That’s just common sense, son. And, how many of the guys on your list are still there ? 

He ditched the franchise QB, ( The most loved Rider since Lancaster ) for Kevin Glenn. That was a stroke of genius. Ditch one old guy to acquire a different old guy. Oh, right...Franklin was a done deal. Jones had him all locked up from his time in Edm ( Tampering). Jones was going to get the Messiah in free agency. LOL...But, the guy was NOT even a FA. Then it was ... Okay, we know for a fact that Franklin is a FA after the 2017 season. And, that’s when Jones gets him. Oops, I guess not. You don’t have a legit argument for anything you say. And, calling others liars. Is NEVER going to change that. 

If Jones really was getting ALL THE TOP PLAYERS. I have to wonder why the team is 15-21 in his time there. ZERO football fans on the planet earth would say 15-21 is anything but a FAIL for a Head Coach. And, it’s a MASSIVE fail when the HC is also the GM. And, look at the money he’s getting paid. Is 15-21 worth what he’s being paid ? Of course not. And, is that 15-21 record worth the money it has cost Jones in FA ? Of course not. 

That’s not even counting fines, drops in revenue, etc. 

You have no idea what you’re talking about. And, move the goalposts with every ridiculous word you type. 

Then as soon as you know you’ve been exposed... You trot out the old “ I won’t be reading it anyway ”. I don’t blame you, son. If I were you I’d bail too. You’re full of it, you know it, and are out of your depth. 

Revisionist history, intentional ignorance, or flat out lying. I’m not going to allow you to get away with any of them. I didn’t tell a single lie. You just conveniently ignore what doesn’t suit your narrative. I say only a handful of players followed him from one team to the next. That’s 100% fact. And, it was only overpaid FAs that followed him from Edm to SK. Can you dispute that ? Of course not. 

There are 8 GMs that chose not to pay what Jones offered to FAs. Are you seriously trying to push the narrative that they went to Regina ( To follow him apparently ). For any reason other than money ? And, unless you think 5-13 is a good record. How can they be anything but overpaid ?

Talk about lying. You’re about as dishonest as they come, son. Or, would you rather cop to the explanation that you’re not very smart ? It’s your call. 

Here endeth the lesson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL @ RFD&#8230;</p>
<p>As I said, son. He’s the GM now. The fact that so many players have gone to SK in FA prove he is overpaying them. How many players followed him from Mtl to Cgy. Then from Cgy to Tor. Then from Tor to Edm. It’s a handful in each instance. But, this is the CFL. Movement is inevitable. Just because players he’s coached previously, actually end up on the same team as him. How does that even remotely prove that he is why they went there ? </p>
<p>You throw up a list of Ex-Esks players that became Riders in 2016. Completely disregarding that I said That as a GM. He offered them more money than the Eskimos, or any other team was willing to pay them. Please remind me how that season went for him. Clearly, they weren’t “ ALL THE TOP PLAYERS “. The top Eskimo players ( their leaders ) are either still in Edm, or tried their hand in the NFL. A cpl may have gone elsewhere. But, they ARE NOT in SK. </p>
<p>If you think Edmonton’s GC Champion FAs were lining up to join a 3-15 team ( 2015 ). Just because of the new coach. You’re off your rocker. And, exactly how well did all that high priced talent produce in 2016 ? 5-13&#8230;LOL. Is that money well spent ?</p>
<p>So, yeah&#8230; More followed him from Edm to SK, than any of his previous stops. But, they were chasing the dollar, and he was willing to pay more for them. Any player that has gone to SK since the 2015 GC. Went there for money. Everybody knows it. If other teams actually wanted to keep their FA. Or, wanted to acquire new FAs from other teams. They would have offered more money. They didn’t because they didn’t think those guys were worth what the Pied Piper was willing to overpay them. Hervey built that 2015 Championship team. So, it’s obvious he knew how to build a winner. That’s just common sense, son. And, how many of the guys on your list are still there ? </p>
<p>He ditched the franchise QB, ( The most loved Rider since Lancaster ) for Kevin Glenn. That was a stroke of genius. Ditch one old guy to acquire a different old guy. Oh, right&#8230;Franklin was a done deal. Jones had him all locked up from his time in Edm ( Tampering). Jones was going to get the Messiah in free agency. LOL&#8230;But, the guy was NOT even a FA. Then it was &#8230; Okay, we know for a fact that Franklin is a FA after the 2017 season. And, that’s when Jones gets him. Oops, I guess not. You don’t have a legit argument for anything you say. And, calling others liars. Is NEVER going to change that. </p>
<p>If Jones really was getting ALL THE TOP PLAYERS. I have to wonder why the team is 15-21 in his time there. ZERO football fans on the planet earth would say 15-21 is anything but a FAIL for a Head Coach. And, it’s a MASSIVE fail when the HC is also the GM. And, look at the money he’s getting paid. Is 15-21 worth what he’s being paid ? Of course not. And, is that 15-21 record worth the money it has cost Jones in FA ? Of course not. </p>
<p>That’s not even counting fines, drops in revenue, etc. </p>
<p>You have no idea what you’re talking about. And, move the goalposts with every ridiculous word you type. </p>
<p>Then as soon as you know you’ve been exposed&#8230; You trot out the old “ I won’t be reading it anyway ”. I don’t blame you, son. If I were you I’d bail too. You’re full of it, you know it, and are out of your depth. </p>
<p>Revisionist history, intentional ignorance, or flat out lying. I’m not going to allow you to get away with any of them. I didn’t tell a single lie. You just conveniently ignore what doesn’t suit your narrative. I say only a handful of players followed him from one team to the next. That’s 100% fact. And, it was only overpaid FAs that followed him from Edm to SK. Can you dispute that ? Of course not. </p>
<p>There are 8 GMs that chose not to pay what Jones offered to FAs. Are you seriously trying to push the narrative that they went to Regina ( To follow him apparently ). For any reason other than money ? And, unless you think 5-13 is a good record. How can they be anything but overpaid ?</p>
<p>Talk about lying. You’re about as dishonest as they come, son. Or, would you rather cop to the explanation that you’re not very smart ? It’s your call. </p>
<p>Here endeth the lesson.</p>
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		By: RFD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 13:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224554&quot;&gt;RFD&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol! Just looking at the roster for one game in 2016:
Joe McKnight
Greg Morris
Kendal Lawrence
Thadeous Coleman
Andrew Jones
Gregory Alexander
Willie Jefferson
Otha Foster
Korey Jones
Kacy Rodgers
Shamawd Chambers

How big is your hand man!  And I probably missed a couple more as well.  And there were more at other points that year and even more the next year too.  

&quot;He’s offering ridiculous amounts of money to FAs.&quot; 
$110k for Messam is probably the steal of this FA period.  $170k for Evans when you look at what Laurent or Westerman are making is a steal as well.  Nowhere close to an over payment. Heck, it&#039;s even a steal when you look at what an import like Leonard got. Stopped reading there.

Do you have any shame at all about telling such blatant lies?  You must know that most people here can tell that you&#039;re just lying out your butt, right?  On second thought don&#039;t waste your time because I won&#039;t be reading it anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224554">RFD</a>.</p>
<p>Lol! Just looking at the roster for one game in 2016:<br />
Joe McKnight<br />
Greg Morris<br />
Kendal Lawrence<br />
Thadeous Coleman<br />
Andrew Jones<br />
Gregory Alexander<br />
Willie Jefferson<br />
Otha Foster<br />
Korey Jones<br />
Kacy Rodgers<br />
Shamawd Chambers</p>
<p>How big is your hand man!  And I probably missed a couple more as well.  And there were more at other points that year and even more the next year too.  </p>
<p>&#8220;He’s offering ridiculous amounts of money to FAs.&#8221;<br />
$110k for Messam is probably the steal of this FA period.  $170k for Evans when you look at what Laurent or Westerman are making is a steal as well.  Nowhere close to an over payment. Heck, it&#8217;s even a steal when you look at what an import like Leonard got. Stopped reading there.</p>
<p>Do you have any shame at all about telling such blatant lies?  You must know that most people here can tell that you&#8217;re just lying out your butt, right?  On second thought don&#8217;t waste your time because I won&#8217;t be reading it anyway.</p>
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		By: Evil Empire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evil Empire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 12:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224554&quot;&gt;RFD&lt;/a&gt;.

Have you lost your mind, son ? 

“ ALL THE TOP PLAYERS want to come play for him “ Only a handful of players have followed him each time he moves from one team to another. And, now that he’s a GM, he’s offering ridiculous amounts of money to FAs. Free Agency never has been, nor will it ever be a path to sustained success. 

About the only thing I’ve ever noticed from the Eskimo fanbase. Is the obvious tampering that went on before the 2015 GC had even been played. And, Jones owes Kenny Stafford a huge debt of gratitude. Had Stafford not caused such a scene. Jones never throws the challenge flag that led to the winning points. 

Your +5 gimmick is ok. Edmonton went 4-14 in 2013. To 12-6 in 2014. And, Ed Hervey built that team. Then Jones foolishly let Reilly get hurt in a meaningless game. Right before the playoffs. 

Ottawa was 2-16 in 2014. And, went to 12-6 in 2015, with a GC appearance. And, that’s just off the top of my head, and recent. +5... Yeah, ok. 

Forget “walking the edge of the rules “. It’s straight up CHEATING. The fines prove that. 

You’re completely delusional. For a little over a decade. Rider fans try to push the narrative that they are Canada’s team. And, everyone else is jealous. They are Canada’s MOST HATED team. And, literally NOBODY is jealous. Jealous of what ? Merchandise sales ? Not a huge accomplishment considering the Riders are the only thing the whole province has going for it. Whereas every CFL city except Hamilton has an NHL team. And, NHL hockey is KING in Canada. 

Reading this thread has been hilarious. You either know nothing about CFL football. Or, you just ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. 

Well done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224554">RFD</a>.</p>
<p>Have you lost your mind, son ? </p>
<p>“ ALL THE TOP PLAYERS want to come play for him “ Only a handful of players have followed him each time he moves from one team to another. And, now that he’s a GM, he’s offering ridiculous amounts of money to FAs. Free Agency never has been, nor will it ever be a path to sustained success. </p>
<p>About the only thing I’ve ever noticed from the Eskimo fanbase. Is the obvious tampering that went on before the 2015 GC had even been played. And, Jones owes Kenny Stafford a huge debt of gratitude. Had Stafford not caused such a scene. Jones never throws the challenge flag that led to the winning points. </p>
<p>Your +5 gimmick is ok. Edmonton went 4-14 in 2013. To 12-6 in 2014. And, Ed Hervey built that team. Then Jones foolishly let Reilly get hurt in a meaningless game. Right before the playoffs. </p>
<p>Ottawa was 2-16 in 2014. And, went to 12-6 in 2015, with a GC appearance. And, that’s just off the top of my head, and recent. +5&#8230; Yeah, ok. </p>
<p>Forget “walking the edge of the rules “. It’s straight up CHEATING. The fines prove that. </p>
<p>You’re completely delusional. For a little over a decade. Rider fans try to push the narrative that they are Canada’s team. And, everyone else is jealous. They are Canada’s MOST HATED team. And, literally NOBODY is jealous. Jealous of what ? Merchandise sales ? Not a huge accomplishment considering the Riders are the only thing the whole province has going for it. Whereas every CFL city except Hamilton has an NHL team. And, NHL hockey is KING in Canada. </p>
<p>Reading this thread has been hilarious. You either know nothing about CFL football. Or, you just ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. </p>
<p>Well done.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 09:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So you&#039;ve come up with 7 examples in 29 years, is that it?  And this is your proof that it&#039;s NOT rare??  You reek of desperation my friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;ve come up with 7 examples in 29 years, is that it?  And this is your proof that it&#8217;s NOT rare??  You reek of desperation my friend.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 09:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Disloyalty?  I guess that&#039;s why all the top players want to come play for him, eh?  Messam and Evans are two who took very reasonable contracts to come back to play for us this year alone.  &quot;Overt willingness to walk the edge of the rules&quot; lol!  Keep digging!  You&#039;ll make it to China sooner or later,  You must be half way there by now!  In the meantime us Rider fans will just keep on doing our happy dances ...
youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disloyalty?  I guess that&#8217;s why all the top players want to come play for him, eh?  Messam and Evans are two who took very reasonable contracts to come back to play for us this year alone.  &#8220;Overt willingness to walk the edge of the rules&#8221; lol!  Keep digging!  You&#8217;ll make it to China sooner or later,  You must be half way there by now!  In the meantime us Rider fans will just keep on doing our happy dances &#8230;<br />
youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM</p>
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		By: Tinhead296		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 03:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dennis was overpaid and a bust last year. If you notice, most free agents these days only signed one year deals with the odd one a two year deal. Jones is bringing in some older players for their experience and veteran leadership, with the right mix of younger players. Thats how the Riders won the cup in 2013 by basically going all in with the right mix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis was overpaid and a bust last year. If you notice, most free agents these days only signed one year deals with the odd one a two year deal. Jones is bringing in some older players for their experience and veteran leadership, with the right mix of younger players. Thats how the Riders won the cup in 2013 by basically going all in with the right mix.</p>
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		By: CFL family		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2018 01:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224495&quot;&gt;mmmbacon&lt;/a&gt;.

If there are so many anti rider haters how can they be Canada&#039;s team????  Would take not make time Canada&#039;s villain ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://dev.3downnation.com/2018/03/06/derek-dennis-says-he-got-caught-up-in-the-hype-with-riders/#comment-224495">mmmbacon</a>.</p>
<p>If there are so many anti rider haters how can they be Canada&#8217;s team????  Would take not make time Canada&#8217;s villain ?</p>
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